[rfc-i] Use of reference groups in document

Jim Schaad ietf at augustcellars.com
Mon Apr 25 06:00:48 PDT 2016

Sorry, I got the numbers below wrong.  It should be 5750 and 5751.  XML
versions can be found @ https://github.com/spasm-wg/smime.  This document
has the groups defined but commented out.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.reschke at gmx.de]
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 1:17 AM
> To: Jim Schaad <ietf at augustcellars.com>; rfc-interest at rfc-editor.org
> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Use of reference groups in document
> On 2016-04-11 14:28, Jim Schaad wrote:
> > I am starting to get a pair of drafts ready for updating and I came
> > across the following potential problem that should be thought about.
> >
> > RFC 5650 and 5651 both have informally defined reference groups done
> > by adding a text section to the references that defines some reference
> Pointer, please? (I looked at 5650 but couldn't find what you're referring
> > It turns out that the same document appears in multiple groups.  This
> > is going to be a generic problem since the IDREFs would be the same if
> > one builds the group in the normal manner.  It might be that we need
> > to modify the IDREFs when building groups in some cases.
> IMHO <referencegroup> was designed with one specific use case in mind:
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7322#section->, and that indeed is
> different from your's.
> I think we have several problems in this area:
> 1) the one you just identified,
> 2) a general doubt that what the RFC Design Guide requires actually makes
> sense,
> 3) and also we haven't thought through how these actually get rendered;
> instructions in <https://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-iab-html-rfc-
> 02.html#element.referencegroup>
> would just generate an indented reference list, and not produce what RFC
> 7322 asks for (note the lack of the link to the RFC Editor info page).
> Best regards, Julian

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