[rfc-i] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-flanagan-plaintext-00.txt

Dearlove, Christopher (UK) chris.dearlove at baesystems.com
Tue Jun 24 04:04:48 PDT 2014

This does appear to convert plain text from normative to close to useless. At least as the only text version. An unpaginated text version may have uses as a supplementary form rather than a replacement.

Is there going to be a numbered page version with a table of contents with page numbers that I can pick up and print? (PDF?) If so, why not text like that as well?

The current RFC Editor process does pagination as a special extra step at the end. It feels like rather than work out how to do that better, it's being thrown out for convenience of the process rather than the users.

(I'm not sure about changing line lengths. The important thing is that it prints at a sensible point size - 10 minimum - on A4 paper, or similar, with reasonable margins.)

I'm only on this mailing list by sort of accident (I subscribed for something specific, I forget what, and just stayed on it). Most affected people won't be here.

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On 6/20/14 7:11 PM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote:
> Hello all,
> With the changes to the format for RFCs on the horizon, I've drafted a 
> short document to describe the changes in the plain text output. Of 
> course, the requirements described are not final until the community 
> has discussed the proposal.
> Comments welcomed.

I hadn't realized that such a big change to the plain text form was planned. (I've only been loosely following this work, so maybe I just didn't pay enough attention.)

The main thing that disturbs me is that with pagination removed it gets hard to skip to a particular place in a plain text document. There aren't any links, and with only section numbers in the contents, one must simply scroll until the section is found. Since section numbers don't change linearly with the relative position in the document this can be annoying. (One can also search for section numbers, but that often isn't quicker.)

I guess that will bias towards reading html or pdf rather than plain text. Currently I generally prefer the "html'ised" format, which is pretty much just the plain text with links. (It is still paginated.) If the plain text isn't paginated then will that format go away, in preference to the other html format?

These changes may be fine - just requiring some of us to change habits. 
But I hadn't realized this was coming.


> -Heather
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	New Version Notification for draft-flanagan-plaintext-00.txt
> Date: 	Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:07:44 -0700
> From: 	internet-drafts at ietf.org
> To: 	Heather Flanagan <rse at rfc-editor.org>, Heather Flanagan
> <rse at rfc-editor.org>
> A new version of I-D, draft-flanagan-plaintext-00.txt has been 
> successfully submitted by Heather Flanagan and posted to the IETF 
> repository.
> Name:		draft-flanagan-plaintext
> Revision:	00
> Title:		Requirements for Plain Text RFCs
> Document date:	2014-06-20
> Group:		Individual Submission
> Pages:		4
> URL:http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-flanagan-plaintext-00.tx
> t Status:https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-flanagan-plaintext/
> Htmlized:http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-flanagan-plaintext-00
> Abstract:
>     This draft documents the change in requirements and layout for the
>     plain-text RFC publication format.
> Editorial Note (To be removed by the RFC Editor)
>     Discussion of this draft takes place on the rfc-interest mailing list
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