[rfc-i] RFC Format - final requirements and next steps

Joe Hildebrand jhildebr at cisco.com
Thu May 17 06:27:08 PDT 2012

I'm experimenting with this:

@media screen {
  p[id]:active:after {
    content: " [#" attr(id) "]";

This has the effect of showing the paragraph id after the paragraph, when
you click on the paragraph.  It's not very good, because you can't
copy/paste the fragment, click on it meaningfully, etc - but at least you
can see it only when you want to.

This would be really easy with JavaScript, of course; what we're hoping for
is some variant of the Purple Pilcrow (http://goo.gl/ujlfO), but created
only with CSS.

I'm open to ideas.

On 5/17/12 12:19 AM, "Phillip Hallam-Baker" <hallam at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree that paragraph level markings are useful. They are also easy
> to add although they can look a little ugly.
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Paul E. Jones <paulej at packetizer.com> wrote:
>> I actually do agree that page numbers should go, but people can make an
>> argument for why section numbers are not suitable.  Even in a section that
>> spans just a few pages, it can be hard to direct people to exactly the right
>> paragraph.
>> I think the right solution is to have numbers on each paragraph.  I would
>> not want them visible, but have them in the document so they can be
>> referenced.  Certain tools might even display them (including some web sites
>> that do further massaging of the RFCs for presentation).
>> I might be mistaken, but I think that's how Kindle numbers locations, too.
>> It's a bit odd, but workable.  (And, yes, the general public screamed for
>> page numbers and I wish Amazon had not caved on that.  Now there are page
>> numbers on my Kindle for which I have no use... they span several
>> "e-pages".)
>> Paul
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rfc-interest-bounces at rfc-editor.org [mailto:rfc-interest-
>>> bounces at rfc-editor.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Hallam-Baker
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 12:15 AM
>>> To: Bjoern Hoehrmann
>>> Cc: Julian Reschke; rfc-interest at rfc-editor.org
>>> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] RFC Format - final requirements and next steps
>>> Page numbers met a certain need in dead tree technology. They don't meet
>>> that need at all well for modern technology.
>>> When I create cross references within a document they are always to a
>>> particular section. It is very rare that section numbers offer less
>>> granularity than page numbers in any case.
>>> So when is a section number going to be worse?
>>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi at gmx.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> * Martin Rex wrote:
>>>>> Page numbers are extremely useful!
>>>> I remember being confused about this the very first time we were to
>>>> read some book for school and ... were supposed to buy one particular
>>>> edition of it, even if we had the book already, just so the page numbers
>>> match.
>>>> Then I learned that books that are often used in school are regularily
>>>> updated in ways that slightly change the page numbers. Found that funny.
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Joe Hildebrand

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