[rfc-i] Referring to specific paragraphs, Re: draft-rfc-image-files-03

Leonard Rosenthol lrosenth at adobe.com
Wed Apr 11 06:14:19 PDT 2012

There are at least five(!!) different groups that I am aware of, including two just in the W3C, that are trying to address this problem, coming at it from different directions.   It will most likely be addressed, but I don't see a resolution in the near term.


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From: rfc-interest-bounces at rfc-editor.org [mailto:rfc-interest-bounces at rfc-editor.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Hallam-Baker
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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Referring to specific paragraphs, Re: draft-rfc-image-files-03

I am pretty sure that if there is a real need to specify a text range in an HTML document with greater specificity than the paragraph then W3C will have already done it.

XPATH was originally meant to do just that. If they didn't then it is probably because there isn't really a need.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke at gmx.de> wrote:
> On 2012-04-11 11:47, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
>> On 11 Apr 2012, at 11:11 , Julian Reschke wrote:
>>>> Perhaps we should tag the
>>>> start of every paragraph uniquely so that, not only are sections 
>>>> directly referenced, but so are specific paragraphs.
>>> Of course. rfc2629.xslt has been doing that for many years now.
>> I don't like this. This would require having the document as HTML or 
>> another format that supports hyperlinks and then clicking on the link.
>> That's way too many technological dependencies. References should be 
>> clear from the text; links are just extras that save a little time.
> It's optional.
> If we insist on line numbers, than we can essentially stop the format 
> discussion, as having line numbers implies fixed formatting.
>> If it's really necessary to point to a specific paragraph then either 
>> the author should make that paragraph its own (sub)section or make 
>> the paragraphs in question (obviously there must be more than one 
>> otherwise a reference to a section would suffice) part of a numbered list.
> Disagreed.
>> Coming up with all kinds of clever stuff is exactly what makes 
>> XML2RFC so hard to use. Yes, it's very clever that the tool "knows" 
>> that it can form "F. Author" from<author initials="F" 
>> surname="Author" fullname="First Author">, but this clever scheme 
>> doesn't allow for the fact that my last name is capitalized as "Van 
>> Beijnum", "I. van Beijnum" and "Iljitsch van Beijnum" so the RFC Editor had to go in and manually correct for this.
> I don't think this has anything to do with the thing we were just 
> discussing
> :-)
>> There are two schools of thought: make a 100% solution or make an 80% 
>> solution. Both can make sense, but please don't pretend to make a 
>> 100% solution that's really an 80% solution.
> Yes. Of course there are tradeoffs and limitations.
> Did anybody claim to have a 100% solution? Did anybody claim that 
> there
> *can* be a 100% solution, given incompatible requirements?
> Best regards, Julian
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