[rfc-i] Pre-IETF RFCs to Historic (not really proposing)

Joe Touch touch at isi.edu
Sun Sep 18 09:39:12 PDT 2011

Hi, all,

I'm aware of a few places that maintain mail forwarding for others without their consent and active participation.

On a good day, they're called "unsolicited email lists".

On a bad day, they're called "spam".

If the author is offered an ietf alias as a service, that's fine.

If the author is placed on a (1-person) email list without their consent, I object, and will be glad to send all such mail received to /dev/null (as I do with a few other notable such lists, including the infamous "mycolleagues" CFP list).


On Sep 18, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Lucy Lynch wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Joe Touch wrote:
>> On 9/16/2011 2:24 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>> Joe,
>>> You are confusing an ability to sometimes perform a secondary function
>>> with being able to perform it reliably.
>> I don't register my name with every publisher "just in case" someone needs to get in touch with me forever into the future.
>> People find people all the time. It's *NEVER* reliable - if I choose not to update the IETF forwarding, it won't be reliable.
>> Ultimately, I see no reason for the IETF to run a 'find the author' service.
> Folks might be interested in the broader attempts to solve this problem
> for authors and publishers. Two efforts gaining some traction can be
> found here:
> The Open Researcher and Contributor ID: http://orcid.org/
> The VIVO project: http://vivoweb.org/
> - Lucy
>> Joe
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe Touch <touch at isi.edu>
>>> To: Fred Baker <fred at cisco.com>
>>> Cc: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im>, rfc-interest at rfc-editor.org,
>>> dcrocker at bbiw.net
>>> Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 1:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Fwd: Pre-IETF RFCs to Historic (not really proposing)
>>> PS: search string was:
>>> Fred Baker gmail
>>> The first hit worked.
>>> Alternate places I might check if I didn't know to look for gmail:
>>> http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Fred_Baker
>>> LinkedIn
>>> However, the obvious choice would be to find your Facebook page,
>>> LinkedIn account, personal web page, or to search the most common public
>>> email suffixes first.
>>> Yes, if you don't want to be found, you won't be.
>>> But if you do want to be found, you do not need an IETF resource to do so.
>>> Joe
>>> On 9/16/2011 1:39 PM, Joe Touch wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 9/16/2011 1:17 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sep 16, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Joe Touch wrote:
>>> >>> Isn't that what a search engine already does?
>>> >>
>>> >> OK, here's a test. Imagine that this afternoon I left Cisco and Monday
>>> >> you wanted to get hold of me for some reason. I have a gmail address.
>>> >> What is it?
>>> >
>>> > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/smartpowerdir/current/msg00175.html
>>> >
>>> > Joe
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