[rfc-i] community member or not Re: [IAB] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work

Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com
Fri Aug 2 15:34:23 PDT 2019


Isn't the point that the RSE *might* be a community member and/or RFC
author, but *must* be knowledgeable and experienced in technical
publishing?

Regards
   Brian

On 03-Aug-19 05:26, Michael StJohns wrote:
> On 8/2/2019 11:30 AM, Leslie Daigle wrote:
>>
>>
>> Replying to just one point in this, as I am still trying to chew 
>> through the larger problem:
>>
>>> - unless you're going for the acting RSE approach, please do
>>> not encourage applications from members of the IETF community
>>> as I think we don't want an RFC author for the RSE role but
>>> rather a series editor and those are IMO quite different things
>>
>> This didn’t fit Jon Postel.  Nor did it fit Bob Braden or Joyce 
>> Reynolds.  All were IETF community members.
> 
> Jon/Bob/Joyce preceded the community, and were a big influence on how 
> the community came to be formed.  As such, they were somewhat immune to 
> what the community would write down about the RFC series "must"s.  Then 
> there's the "inventing the job" thing that Jon and Bob and Joyce did, 
> and the further refinement of "publisher" not "RFC Author" that Heather 
> did.
> 
> None of these three were typical RFC authors - most of what they were 
> credited as authors for (according to the RFC Editor search function) 
> were related to their other jobs (IANA, RFC Editor). Bob was probably 
> the closest to a typical RFC author with his interest in diffserv, rsvp 
> and related protocols.
> 
>>
>> I could ask if your point is a reflection on the IETF community being 
>> less luminary than it used to be.
> 
> There is some of that, but it's probably more that the skillsets don't 
> match up.   With the one exception of Ole J (and of course excluding the 
> RSE and ISE), I'm not sure anyone currently involved in the IETF as an 
> RFC author has series editing/publishing experience. I would expect that 
> a few have book or special publication editing experience, but I'm not 
> sure how well those might translate.
> 
> 
>>
>> But, ISTM that part of the larger problem is that we’re trying to 
>> “hire expertise”, that both understands our universe and brings in 
>> some level of external subject matter experience and expertise, which 
>> is good.  But then we, (for we == leadership, at least) treat them 
>> like staff, not community.
> 
> 
> I think we need to prioritize expertise over knowledge of our universe.  
> I'm pretty sure (worked example == Heather) that we anyone we choose for 
> the role that understands publishing can eventually be made to 
> understand publishing RFCs.
> 
> 
> Later, Mike
> 
> 
>>
>> I have (many) more thoughts on that theme, but will stop there, for 
>> now, and see what people think.
>>
>> Leslie.
> 
> 
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