[rfc-i] community member or not Re: [IAB] RFC Series Editor (RSE) Statement of Work
Brian E Carpenter
brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com
Fri Aug 2 15:34:23 PDT 2019
Isn't the point that the RSE *might* be a community member and/or RFC
author, but *must* be knowledgeable and experienced in technical
On 03-Aug-19 05:26, Michael StJohns wrote:
> On 8/2/2019 11:30 AM, Leslie Daigle wrote:
>> Replying to just one point in this, as I am still trying to chew
>> through the larger problem:
>>> - unless you're going for the acting RSE approach, please do
>>> not encourage applications from members of the IETF community
>>> as I think we don't want an RFC author for the RSE role but
>>> rather a series editor and those are IMO quite different things
>> This didn’t fit Jon Postel. Nor did it fit Bob Braden or Joyce
>> Reynolds. All were IETF community members.
> Jon/Bob/Joyce preceded the community, and were a big influence on how
> the community came to be formed. As such, they were somewhat immune to
> what the community would write down about the RFC series "must"s. Then
> there's the "inventing the job" thing that Jon and Bob and Joyce did,
> and the further refinement of "publisher" not "RFC Author" that Heather
> None of these three were typical RFC authors - most of what they were
> credited as authors for (according to the RFC Editor search function)
> were related to their other jobs (IANA, RFC Editor). Bob was probably
> the closest to a typical RFC author with his interest in diffserv, rsvp
> and related protocols.
>> I could ask if your point is a reflection on the IETF community being
>> less luminary than it used to be.
> There is some of that, but it's probably more that the skillsets don't
> match up. With the one exception of Ole J (and of course excluding the
> RSE and ISE), I'm not sure anyone currently involved in the IETF as an
> RFC author has series editing/publishing experience. I would expect that
> a few have book or special publication editing experience, but I'm not
> sure how well those might translate.
>> But, ISTM that part of the larger problem is that we’re trying to
>> “hire expertise”, that both understands our universe and brings in
>> some level of external subject matter experience and expertise, which
>> is good. But then we, (for we == leadership, at least) treat them
>> like staff, not community.
> I think we need to prioritize expertise over knowledge of our universe.
> I'm pretty sure (worked example == Heather) that we anyone we choose for
> the role that understands publishing can eventually be made to
> understand publishing RFCs.
> Later, Mike
>> I have (many) more thoughts on that theme, but will stop there, for
>> now, and see what people think.
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