[rfc-i] On blockquotes and notes for v3

Nico Williams nico at cryptonector.com
Mon Feb 24 07:09:46 PST 2014


On Monday, February 24, 2014, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke at gmx.de> wrote:

> On 2014-02-24 04:56, Nico Williams wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman at vpnc.org
>> <mailto:paul.hoffman at vpnc.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Greetings again. Based on earlier requests, in
>>     draft-hoffman-xml2rfc-02, I added a "style" attribute to <t> whose
>>     values are "normal", "blockquote", and "note". In HTML, the
>>     blockquote element is often used to indicate "a paragraph with
>>     narrower margins to make it look special"; I have never seen anyone
>>     other than W3C authors actually put a "cite" attribute in it. HTML
>>
>
> I'm not a "W3C author" and I do, for instance in <
> http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc6657.html#rfc.section.3>.
>
>      has no "note" element.
>>
>
> Yes, but HTML as CSS.
>
>      Given that it is not clear that anyone will actually use the
>>     blockquote style and the cite attribute for anything semantically
>>     important, are people OK with me removing them, leaving <t> with
>>
>
> I think it's pretty clear.
>
>      just the "style" attribute? If so, I would change the "style"
>>     attribute to have values of "normal" (the default) and "indented",
>>     so it is clearer that the use of the style is for formatting, not
>>     semantics. To me, this seems cleaner than having authors fake the
>>     formatting with things like empty lists and so on.
>>
>
> People do only have to "fake" things if we do not provide the proper
> elements.
>
>  Why wouldn't one use the blockquote style/whatever?  I would.  I've had
>>
>
> So that the quote is styled in a way to stand out; see example above.
>
>  occasion to quote RFCs in my I-Ds, it'd be nice to be able to indicate
>> that in the quote element.  But i do think you need an "indented" with
>> no specific reason given for it.  Why can't indented be just. <t> nested
>> in another?
>>
>
> I wouldn't want to overload <t> with new functionality given its use in
> lists right now.
>
> What we should do is look at cases where people currently abuse unstyled
> lists, figure out why, and provide the right elements for that.
>
>
I agree that we should have a blockquote element.  I thought Paul was
proposing folding it into the t element, then getting rid of the quote
style.  I disagree with what I think Paul is proposing.  If I got confused,
do clarify.

Nico
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