[rfc-i] On blockquotes and notes for v3
nico at cryptonector.com
Mon Feb 24 07:09:46 PST 2014
On Monday, February 24, 2014, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke at gmx.de> wrote:
> On 2014-02-24 04:56, Nico Williams wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman at vpnc.org
>> <mailto:paul.hoffman at vpnc.org>> wrote:
>> Greetings again. Based on earlier requests, in
>> draft-hoffman-xml2rfc-02, I added a "style" attribute to <t> whose
>> values are "normal", "blockquote", and "note". In HTML, the
>> blockquote element is often used to indicate "a paragraph with
>> narrower margins to make it look special"; I have never seen anyone
>> other than W3C authors actually put a "cite" attribute in it. HTML
> I'm not a "W3C author" and I do, for instance in <
> has no "note" element.
> Yes, but HTML as CSS.
> Given that it is not clear that anyone will actually use the
>> blockquote style and the cite attribute for anything semantically
>> important, are people OK with me removing them, leaving <t> with
> I think it's pretty clear.
> just the "style" attribute? If so, I would change the "style"
>> attribute to have values of "normal" (the default) and "indented",
>> so it is clearer that the use of the style is for formatting, not
>> semantics. To me, this seems cleaner than having authors fake the
>> formatting with things like empty lists and so on.
> People do only have to "fake" things if we do not provide the proper
> Why wouldn't one use the blockquote style/whatever? I would. I've had
> So that the quote is styled in a way to stand out; see example above.
> occasion to quote RFCs in my I-Ds, it'd be nice to be able to indicate
>> that in the quote element. But i do think you need an "indented" with
>> no specific reason given for it. Why can't indented be just. <t> nested
>> in another?
> I wouldn't want to overload <t> with new functionality given its use in
> lists right now.
> What we should do is look at cases where people currently abuse unstyled
> lists, figure out why, and provide the right elements for that.
I agree that we should have a blockquote element. I thought Paul was
proposing folding it into the t element, then getting rid of the quote
style. I disagree with what I think Paul is proposing. If I got confused,
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