[rfc-i] Structure of <li> in v3

Paul Kyzivat pkyzivat at alum.mit.edu
Sun Feb 16 15:47:05 PST 2014


On 2/16/14 5:58 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> On Feb 16, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 2/16/14 5:17 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why are 'hangtext' and 'term' attributes of <li> rather than contained elements?
>>>
>>> That was a design decision that is being discussed. In that proposal, it made it easy to create the list items. In a different proposal, the list item takes two elements (and is thus more remembering and typing for the author) but a possibly-clearer content model.
>>
>> I realize there is a backward compatibility problem for 'hangtext'.
>> But (as is often commented on here) it is easily solved with a conversion tool.
>
> Right.
>
>> Re ease of use I think it is just number of characters typed:
>>
>> <li hangtext='foo'>
>> <li><hangtext>foo</hangtext>
>
> Those are incomplete. The proposals are:
>
> <li hangtext='foo'>bar</li>
> <li><hangtext>foo</hangtext><therest>bar</therest></li>

Why not

<li><hangtext>foo</hangtext><t>bar</t></li>

But yes, that does increast the burden from 9 to 16 characters.

>
> For the second, Julian and others expressed a dislike for elements whose content model is both free text and required elements. Thus, the following would not be likely accepted:
>
> <li><hangtext>foo</hangtext>bar</li>

 From a usage perspective I find that more appealing.
I somewhat understand the concern. But at least it is just an optional 
element at the beginning, which seems less bad than allowing the 
embedding of stuff in the middle of the text.

>> The advantage, in addition to a clearer content model, is that one can embed other formatting elements.
>
> Yes, definitely.
>
>> Also, while the formatting differs between "hanging" and "dictionary" lists, there isn't a lot of conceptual difference between the 'hangtext' and 'term' element/attributes. I wonder if a common element could be used for both. (E.g., 'subject'.)
>
> Should be.
>
>> Another advantage to that would be that you could switch a list between "hanging" and "dictionary" styles with a single change.
>
> Yes.
>
> --Paul Hoffman
>



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