[rfc-i] Supporting both ease-of-entry and un-labeled list items in v3

Jim Schaad ietf at augustcellars.com
Fri Feb 14 10:22:53 PST 2014



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> editor.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hoffman
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:55 AM
> To: Julian Reschke
> Cc: RFC Interest
> Subject: [rfc-i] Supporting both ease-of-entry and un-labeled list items
in v3
> 
> 
> On Feb 12, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke at gmx.de>
> wrote:
> 
> > On 2014-02-12 20:57, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> >> On Feb 12, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke at gmx.de>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> We can support both inline elements (text, <xref>) and block elements
> (<t>), but why would we want to allow to combine them?
> >>
> >> Because it makes it easier to create an Internet Draft, which is a
design
> goal. Compare the current proposal:
> >>
> >>    <list style="symbols">
> >>       <li>This is the first element with a bullet.</li>
> >>       <li>This is the second element with a bullet.
> >>          <t>This is part of the second element,
> >>          but it does not have a bullet</t></li>
> >>       <li>This is the third element with a bullet.</li>
> >>    </list>
> >>
> >> With the one you seem to be proposing:
> >>
> >>    <list style="symbols">
> >>       <li><t>This is the first element with a bullet.</t></li>
> >>       <li><t>This is the second element with a bullet.</t>
> >>          <t>This is part of the second element,
> >>          but it does not have a bullet</t></li>
> >>       <li><t>This is the third element with a bullet.</t></li>
> >>    </list>
> >>
> >> I suspect that someone who just wants to write an Internet draft would
> prefer the first.
> >
> > Not convinced.
> 
> You're not convinced that someone (maybe almost everyone) would prefer
> the first? Other than for some XML design reason, why would someone
> prefer the second?
> 
> > Let's not mix block-level elements with text content.
> 
> That design goal has little or nothing to do with making it easier to
create an
> Internet Draft, which is a design goal.
> 
> A possible third alternative, which makes me cringe a bit but I can see
some
> logic to it, would be:
> 
>    <list style="symbols">
>       <li>This is the first element with a bullet.</li>
>       <li>This is the second element with a bullet.
>       <linolabel>This is part of the second element,
>          but it does not have a bullet.</linolabel>
>       <li>This is the third element with a bullet.</li>
>    </list>

I find this difficult since it means putting paragraphs into and out of
lists to require a lot of typing.

Jim

> 
> That solves your "not mixing block-level elements with text content"
> problem and still would not force people to have to use two elements
> everywhere. Thoughts?
> 
> --Paul Hoffman
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