# [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc

Phillip Hallam-Baker hallam at gmail.com
Sun Jul 8 06:07:39 PDT 2012

Chrome auto updates. So legacy is much less of an issue.

Kind of weak that one of the core objectives for HTML I worked on at
CERN in 1993, i.e. being able to present academic papers of the type
used by physicists is still not supported in the commodity browsers.

I think time to just start using the feature and shame Google into
supporting the standard. That is how we got tables, Netscape was
dragging its feet until I asked Taher if their problem was that their
HTML widget guy hadn't got the chops for it. Eric delivered about 48
hours later.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir at checkpoint.com> wrote:
> That's pretty nice.
>
> Could you post the source HTML?  The one at the link is tooled with all the CSS needed to display it.
>
> Reading the draft, I think the HTML is still going to be more verbose than XML2RFC. OTOH HTML can handle images, formulas and tables now, whereas it would be an extension to XML2RFC.
>
> Regarding format for formulas, I think it will be a while before we can rely on MathML. Testing against http://www.mathjax.org/demos/mathml-samples/ , I see that Firefox and Safari can handle MathML, but IE and Chrome (the two most popular browsers these days) don't, so at least for now, it's a non-starter.  SVG might work better.
>
> Yoav
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2012, at 1:09 AM, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) wrote:
>
>> I just submitted a -00 draft of a potential HTML format for RFCs.
>>
>> The version you want to read is here:
>>
>> http://cursive.net/draft-hildebrand-html-rfc-2012-07-07.html
>>
>>
>>
>> The version I submitted is a total cop-out, for which I apologize; I'm
>> working on auto-conversion from HTML to xml2rfc now, but wanted to make
>> sure I got *something* submitted.
>>
>> If you'd like to look at the tooling I used to produce this, there is a
>> github project at:
>>
>> https://github.com/IETF-Formatters/html-rfc
>>
>>
>> The idea is you write some HTML, run "idemponit" on what you have, and you
>> get conformant HTML out the other side.  There is a directory of changes
>> in "/nits" that are run against the input; writing new nits should be easy
>> if you've got some basic HTML and jQuery skills.
>>
>> There's also a tool called "rfcq" that allows you to query information out
>> of the HTML, using jQuery selector syntax.
>>
>> --
>> Joe Hildebrand
>>
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