[rfc-i] draft-iab-ise-model-03 comments
dhc at dcrocker.net
Thu Oct 27 20:39:03 PDT 2011
On 10/27/2011 8:12 PM, Ted Hardie wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Dave CROCKER <dhc at dcrocker.net
> <mailto:dhc at dcrocker.net>> wrote:
> To give the IAB this flexibility is to then require that when the IAB use it
> they suddenly develop special skills at assessing the likely success of this
> unusual form of management. (Companies do, sometimes, have co-presidents or
> the like but it's rare that it works all that well.)
> For what it's worth, I disagree. At least one team volunteered in the past for
> this role and I personally believe that a team could work.
Perhaps you missed the parenthetical bit I included that indeed it is sometimes
done. My meaning was that it /can/ work. But the problem is that it usually
The question is risk/benefit. It's a risky choice. Where is the major benefit
that we need? Why should the IETF take it?
> One could argue
> pretty cogently that Jon and Joyce were a team undertaking this role for the
> years in which they served (in this and other roles).
You think that that team did not have a single leader?
> I think the IAB would have to be convinced that the team volunteering has a
Perhaps you missed the part where I noted that the IAB would have to "develop
special skills at assessing the likely success". This is a case of making a
risky, strategic decision concerning management skills. That type of assessment
skill is a specialty.
Does the IAB possess that set of skill?
> sensible internal structure or method of apportioning responsibilities. Saying
> "may have assistants" implies that at least one team structure is presumed to
And since no comment was made against team structures in general, what is the
relevance of your point here?
> I don't think Abbot was Costello's assistant or Costello's Abbot;
1. There is some danger in referring to a comedy act as an example of management...
2. Behind the scenes, most duos like A&C actually are dominated by one of the
two. Do you have special knowledge about A&C offstage?
> them pretend this was the team structure rather than exposing the real one to
> the IAB seems pretty sub-optimal.
Having diffused lines of accountability and inviting a management model known to
be fragile is not pretty sub-optimal. It's /very/ sub-optimal.
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