[rfc-i] RSE role
Brian E Carpenter
brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com
Thu Jan 20 18:44:25 PST 2011
I think I'm going to join the +1 flash crowd. If the IETF+IRTF+IAB
has a fault, it's one of being inward-looking. We always benefit
from injection of expertise - just as we need a lawyer for
legal stuff, operators for operational stuff, an administrator
for administration stuff, we need a publication expert for
publication stuff. But it has to be somebody who listens.
On 2011-01-20 08:54, Ted Hardie wrote:
> Some comments in-line.
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Russ Housley <housley at vigilsec.com> wrote:
>>> there are many, many aspects of RFC Editor and RSE work that depend upon expertise in editorial and publications techniques
>> You keep saying this, and I remain unconvinced.
>> I have said this to you in less public places, and I am now repeating it in this very public place. From my perspective, the most important role of the RSE is cross-stream coordination and policy. The policy portion involves leading discussions with the whole community, and this can best be done by a respected member of the community.
> So, I think the key point here is that cross-stream coordination role
> that the RSE has is specific to editorial and publications points,
> since content has been explicitly ruled out. Leading discussions on
> those points actually requires pretty significant expertise with them,
> or the policy that's returned may be unimplementable and/or way out of
> the mainstream.
> Ideal from at least my perspective is someone who has both that
> experience and IETF experience, but that's a pretty limited set and
> the number of hours/pay may well make it the null set. So we're left
> with the question: is it easier to grow a member of the community in
> this domain, or easier to get someone with this domain knowledge to
> build a reputation inside the community? As long as we're clear that
> we want the intersection at the end of the day, I think we can reach
> this point, but it will take time either way.
> My personal take is that absent the ideal case, it will be better to
> hire someone with publication experience and grow their knowledge of
> the community they will serve. The risk in the other direction is
> that we will have a respected member of the community who becomes
> increasingly familiar with the way we already do publication, with
> little to know exposure to how others do it. That might limit our
> ability to evolve the series to meet new needs.
> To take a small example: I've suggested in the past that we provide
> translations of the boilerplate in the RFCs to eliminate a hurdle to
> providing translated specs (something we permit and might choose to
> encourage). Having limited outside experience in this, I have no clue
> whether this is common or perceived as a good idea by other technical
> publications. There are some obvious policy issues (does the legal
> boilerplate need review by international lawyers as well as
> translators?), but there are also some production issues: if we
> provide it in plain text files is that enough? Do we need to provide
> templates or tools for this to be useful? What are the costs to
> maintain these as we update our boilerplate etc? (If the answer is we
> need to provide CSS and HTML snippets because everyone else uses that,
> we have one cost; if everyone who wants to provide this uses a
> different tool, the cost will be higher).
> I don't want to rathole on the proposal, but to highlight that there
> are elements even in that relatively simple piece where
> editing/publishing experience in a reasonably comparable series would
> be useful. Harald used to say "A pair of data beats a full house of
> supposition", and I think experience does the same--and the relevant
> experience hear covers both the policy question and the actual
> production. The editor/publisher experience is a demonstration that
> they know how policy matches to implementation, and implementation
> remains a pretty important point to all our work.
> best regards,
> Ted Hardie
>> To me, expertise and experience with editing an publications is _much_ less important. So much less that it does not even make the radar screen in comparison.
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