[rfc-i] Copyrights and the IRTF and Independent Stream

Joel M. Halpern jmh at joelhalpern.com
Sun Aug 16 14:21:59 PDT 2009

I am not sure I follow your reasoning.

There are, as far as I can tell, two arguments being made.
The first argument is that the trust can not handle anything other than 
IETF documents.  Such an argument has to be based on the Trust 
documents.  (While John and I disagree, he was quite careful and clear 
that he bases his argument on the trust documents themselves.
There is a subsidiary argument that says that the IETF has not asked the 
trust to handle these documents.  Whether I buy that argument or not is 
irrelevant.  The plan, as discussed, includes getting I-Ds approved 
through an IETF last call which indicates how these stream documents 
should be handled.  As such, teh IETF will also have indicated its approval.

There is a second argument that the trust has some difficulty getting 
something done.  I don't see the problem in that regard, but John does. 
  You do not appear to be making that argument, so I will not try to 
rebut it.


SM wrote:
> Hi Joel,
> At 12:07 16-08-2009, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
>> Actually, if you go read the Trust agreement, rather than the IETF 
>> document about how the
> I have read the Trust agreement.
>>  IETF looks at the trust (the agreement is at their web site) you will 
>> see that there is provision for the trust to handle more than just the 
>> IETF.
>> As I read the agreement, the IETF documents are an example of what the 
>> trust can handle, not a restriction.
> I already mentioned that my claim which was based on Section 1.1 of RFC 
> 4748 could be debunked.  I chose to comment on the non-legal aspects.  
> You may view my arguments as weak given that they are not based on the 
> IETF Trust agreement and/or a correct interpretation (from an IETF 
> perspective) of the IETF documents.  There is a fine line between what 
> one can do and what one will do.  I'll conclude this message with a 
> quote from John Masefield:
>   "Well sir," said old Fairford, "they're English. And my experience 
> with the
>    English is that you can get them to do anything if you put it to them 
> right.
>    The trouble with the English is they try all the wrong ways first."
>                               The Bird of Dawning
> Regards,
> -sm

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